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I think it’s very important in music in particular, because we’re so often inclined to think that – sorry – the lead singer is the important person, but with every group that I’ve ever known that was any good, it was the chemistry of the whole situation that really… I thought there must be a word for the creativity of a whole situation or a whole scene, so then I changed the word “genius” to the word “scenius”. It wasn’t only artists who were talking to each other, there were writers and all sorts of people, and some of them were just people who’d put on good parties where people tended to meet up and talk.
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For instance I got particularly interested in early 20 th century Russian painting when I was at art college, and was very surprised to find out that some of the most important figures in that scene were salonistes and gallerists and curators and collectors, as well as all the other artists.
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That community includes a lot of people who aren’t obviously contenders, you know. But generally, my way of saying this is, is that great ideas are usually articulated by one person but they’re generated by a whole community of people. And one of them finally kind of gets it or pieces it together or makes a public statement about it. But actually, if you look at history and creative situations both in the arts and sciences, what you discover is that there are lots and lots and lots of people chipping away at something all together. And this is very much the idea that one person comes up with a great idea all on their own that nobody else expected. So normally when people talk about artists, they refer to them as a “genius” – a scientist is a genius. To jump in, could you explain for people listening, the concept that you talk about of “scenius”. So yeah, there’s so much stuff that I’d like to cover, really. Thanks so much for doing this, you know what I’m like about you and having the opportunity to talk to you a little bit at length is amazing for me. Today I’m joined by a man who needs no introduction, it’s Eno. Welcome back to everybody who’s been listening to these instalments of conversations that I’ve been having. Want to hear more of these? We also have podcasts featuring Matty talking to Stevie Nicks, Conor Oberst, Steve Reich, Mike Kinsella, Kim Gordon and Bobby Gillespie. In this podcast, Healy and Eno express their admiration for each other’s work and dissect the concepts behind ambient music and abstract art, the exciting potential of gaming, the sly wit of Bowie, and the difficult task of making decent political music. And, it turns out, he’s a big admirer of The 1975. In a five-decade career, this one-time member of Roxy Music and lifelong experimentalist has collaborated with multiple artists including David Bowie, Talking Heads, Devo and U2, helping them all expand their musical horizons. He’s a producer, conceptual artist and theorist who pioneered the ambient genre and the idea of generative music. It’s hard to exaggerate the all-round cultural significance of Brian Eno. As part of The 1975’s takeover of The Face, we’re releasing a series of podcasts featuring frontman Matty Healy in conversation with his musical heroes.